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Winter Archipelago
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Posted - 2015.06.11 23:16:56 -
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Aebe Amraen wrote:Probing and tackling are already important roles in any fleet; what this change actually does is gets rid of the notion of a prober as a stand-alone role. The prober must also be a tackler, with all the risk that entails.
A cloaky prober can't get into position so the FC can fleet warp to him/her?
Drop a small bubble, abandon a mess of drones around its perimeter, laugh as the cloaky scout gets decloaked on the warp-in and insta-blapped. Even tanked, scout ships are still easily alphaed.
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Winter Archipelago
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Posted - 2015.06.12 00:28:04 -
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So, two serious questions as I'm thinking more about this:
First, this is an absolutely massive buff to the defenders. Having to essentially sit and wait compared to having to coordinate warps to land at the same time is such a different beast that it's not even fair trying to compare them. Is this an intended outcome despite the past changes that were more oriented towards /weakening/ defenders?
Secondly, how much speculation has been put into how this will affect mixed-size fleets? Battleships and Battlecruisers were already seeing significantly less use, but with their slow warp speed, they'll be landing a significant amount of time after the faster ships. Even if everyone is just off-grid from the intended warp-to and is already aligned, the slower start-up and slow-down that larger ships have mean that frigs and cruisers will have been on-grid and vulnerable for a fair amount of time. Combined with latency issues and missed voice commands, I'm concerned that a change like this will end up homogenizing fleets even more than they already are.
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Winter Archipelago
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Posted - 2015.06.12 00:52:00 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:
No idea why your fleet would get seperated, tbh, since you can still Fleetwarp them. You just need 1 (one) other fleetmember as your warpin first. Or warp to celestials.
Not all groups can afford to spare the extra member to function as a scout, and even if you're bouncing to a nearby celestial first, you're still stuck trying to stagger your warps so that your slower ships get in at the same time as your faster ships.
As I said above, latency and misheard / missed commands are going to become an even bigger threat to a smaller group.
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Winter Archipelago
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2015.06.12 02:41:31 -
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Manfred Sideous wrote:
Maybe just maybe you can get dudes in your alliance to help scout and probe instead of doing it all yourself. Crazy Idea I know ( using teamwork and all that crazy whippity dippity stuff).
What about smaller groups? Groups that don't have thousands of people? Who don't even have hundreds? What about when you're in fleets of 6-8 people (and fewer)? Do we have to now dedicate someone to probing? Are we to be limited to D3's and T3's so each person can fit both a probe launcher and their combat fit? Does the answer once again become "use an alt?"
Large nullsec groups aren't the only players out there, and not everybody wants to be just another F1-pusher, or just another number in a TIDI slug-fest. This change affects everybody, but it doesn't affect everybody equally.
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Winter Archipelago
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Posted - 2015.06.12 03:00:01 -
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Manfred Sideous wrote:
T3 destroyers have a slot for a probe launcher last I checked they are very popular ships in small gangs HTH.
As I asked, are our options to be so limited? Must we take out T3 destroyers or cruisers and nothing else? It's enough already to gimp a fit of a Thorax or a Caracal or another cruiser to get an expanded probe launcher on them, but at least they could still participate in the fight.
Must our options be limited to dedicated cloaky scanners, alts, or the two T3 groups?
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Winter Archipelago
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Posted - 2015.06.12 03:40:47 -
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I'll echo the sentiment that having Squad-level warps available would be a positive middle-ground. I could accept that change.
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:31:17 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:
Q: CCP, this change doesn't create more pilot engagement / participation, the FC will just run another alt that he fleet warps too!
A: That would work sure. But fleets who have members assisting the FC by setting up warpin's, getting tackle, etc. are going to be a lot more effective. We can't force you to participate in the fleet, but we can give an advantage to those that do.
So the fleets that run dedicated scanners controlled as non-alt chars are going to be more effective via voice communications with their FC, trying to translate all of the events on-grid to the FC, trying to get a decent warp-in for the FC, all of this and more, will be more effective than the FC using an alt and being on-grid themselves to see what's happening, the movements, and set up a warp-in?
Information is lost in communication. The most effective fleets will be the ones whose scanning and warp-ins are provided by an alt of the FC simply because there will be no delay, no miscommunication, no missed information, etc.
Nevermind that there's still nothing addressing how heavily this will impact small gangs. Or micro gangs. Or whatever single-digit groups are being called this month.
Being a dedicated scout in a small gang is boring. Being forced to use T3 destroyers and cruisers, despite the 100 other ships in the game, is boring. This change does almost nothing to affect the large fleets who already ran multiple scouts, but it has a major impact on small gangs who will be forced into two types of ships (so everyone can scan) or will be forced to make one of their members (a significant percentage of their gang) to act as a dedicated scanner to sit there with their thumbs up their ass while the rest of the gang acts.
Preemptive "Put your scanner in a T3 destroyer or cruiser so they can join in the battle" response: **** that. Once again, why force people into one of two classes of ships when they had access to 100 other ships previously.
The change affects everyone, but it doesn't affect everyone equally.
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Posted - 2015.06.13 03:09:45 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
"But, but those sniping ships all die to all those bombers... Wait. Because it will no longer be easy mode for bombers, it means battleships and battlecruisers will have a place on the battlefield now. Damn it. My entire argument is crumbling around me. Curses!"
This isn't going to be the huge negative impact on bombers that some people seem to believe it will be.
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Posted - 2015.06.16 20:27:07 -
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joecuster wrote:Death to NPSI cancer
Whelp, time to buy stock in popcorn companies and Kleenex.
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Posted - 2015.06.19 13:44:17 -
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Zappity wrote:
Don't be silly. Fit some tank on the Crusader. Check. Not to mention it comes with built in sig reduction.
Fit some tank on the Anathema. Oh wait you can't because there is no fitting left after the Expanded probe launcher. And there's no sig reduction either.
You aren't going to fit much of a tank to an Interceptor after putting on an expanded launcher. Even the expanded Sisters' launcher is 210 CPU, and the highest any interceptor has (at all V's) is the Crow, at 206, followed by the Raptor, at 200. The rest are similar or lower (with several of the combat-oriented Interceptors being in the 150's).
You aren't going to have fittings for a tank after the expanded launcher and a MWD.
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